Hannah Shahabi and Roland Scheppske
08 August 2025
50m 44s
Chef's Kiss
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50:44
Hannah Shahabi and Roland Scheppske
08 August 2025
50m 44s
00:00
50:44
The Season Finale is here! This episode we explore perfectionism and the sneaky ways it shows up in our lives. Perfectionism is a personality trait characterized by a relentless pursuit of flawlessness and high standards. It can manifest as self-motivation and drive to achieve success, but often leads to anxiety & low self-worth when standards aren't met. Time to get to the bottom of the "good enough's" and kick obligation to curb 'cause imperfect is the new perfect.
00:00- Opening
00:13- Legal Disclosure
00:41- Personal Intro (Hannah)
00:53- Personal Intro (Roland)
01:08- I Don't Need Therapy, I Have Taylor Swift
01:19- Roland's Swiftie Song
01:53- Roland's Explanation
02:33- Stay true to yourself!
02:41- Hannah's Swiftie Song
03:09- Hannah's Explanation
03:25- Maladaptive Daydreaming
05:03- Hot Take Intro
05:10- Perfectionism!
05:41- Definition of Perfectionism
05:54- 3 Kinds of Perfectionism
06:10- Self Oriented/Socially Prescribed/Other Oriented
07:50- Nuance is helpful to differentiate
08:17- Inability to release control
08:56- Hannah's Hot Take
09:30- Image we want, we project on others
10:26- Society Gives Us Sense of Perfection
11:45- Perfectionism is mix of Nature & Nurture
12:38- What of the 3 Kind's Is Hannah's Hot Take?
12:51- Socially Prescribed
14:14- Roland's Hot Take
15:45- Never-ending Feedback Loop
16:02- Perfectionism Breeds Failure
17:02- Imperfect is learning
18:38- The HOW is important
19:30- Perfectionism Erodes Society
20:50- Checking & Re-Checking
21:08- Chronic Procrastination
22:40- Research Attacks the Pod
23:18- Swap Perfect for Done
23:59- Good Enough Reps
26:07- Schedule Rest
27:06- Behind the Couch & Under the Cushion
27:15- Behind the Couch (Roland)
27:34- Dishes as a Good Enough Rep
29:29- Goal of an Aha! Moment
29:45- Using Obligation/Contract Verbiage to Challenge
31:04- Take Back Control
32:13- Behind the Couch (Hannah)
32:25- Overwhelmed Achiever Overlap
32:55- Empowerment & Reinvention
34:21- Self-Imposed High
35:04- Inner Child Work
35:18- CBT
37:06- Safe with Emotions
38:35- Under the Cushion (Roland)
38:45- Grades Were Important (GT/AP Kid)
40:24- Challenged Perfectionism
42:07- Would Not Classify Perfectionism Out loud
42:50- We're Frenemies!
42:55- Under the Cushion (Hannah)
43:36- Grew Up Thinking of Failure
43:58- Perfectionism & Imposter Syndrome
44:33- Other Oriented
46:08- Unfairness of Expectations
48:18- Not Assigning the Emotional Piece
50:28- Other Oriented Feels Helpless
50:38- Outro
*THIS PODCAST IS NOT A SUPPLEMENT OR REPLACEMENT FOR THERAPY CONDUCTED WITH A LICSENED PROFESSIONAL*