You Seem Fine Podcast

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Hannah Shahabi and Roland Scheppske

08 August 2025

50m 44s

Chef's Kiss

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The Season Finale is here! This episode we explore perfectionism and the sneaky ways it shows up in our lives. Perfectionism is a personality trait characterized by a relentless pursuit of flawlessness and high standards. It can manifest as self-motivation and drive to achieve success, but often leads to anxiety & low self-worth when standards aren't met. Time to get to the bottom of the "good enough's" and kick obligation to curb 'cause imperfect is the new perfect.

00:00- Opening

00:13- Legal Disclosure

00:41- Personal Intro (Hannah)

00:53- Personal Intro (Roland)

01:08- I Don't Need Therapy, I Have Taylor Swift

01:19- Roland's Swiftie Song

01:53- Roland's Explanation

02:33- Stay true to yourself!

02:41- Hannah's Swiftie Song

03:09- Hannah's Explanation

03:25- Maladaptive Daydreaming

05:03- Hot Take Intro

05:10- Perfectionism!

05:41- Definition of Perfectionism

05:54- 3 Kinds of Perfectionism

06:10- Self Oriented/Socially Prescribed/Other Oriented

07:50- Nuance is helpful to differentiate

08:17- Inability to release control

08:56- Hannah's Hot Take

09:30- Image we want, we project on others

10:26- Society Gives Us Sense of Perfection

11:45- Perfectionism is mix of Nature & Nurture

12:38- What of the 3 Kind's Is Hannah's Hot Take?

12:51- Socially Prescribed

14:14- Roland's Hot Take

15:45- Never-ending Feedback Loop

16:02- Perfectionism Breeds Failure

17:02- Imperfect is learning

18:38- The HOW is important

19:30- Perfectionism Erodes Society

20:50- Checking & Re-Checking

21:08- Chronic Procrastination

22:40- Research Attacks the Pod

23:18- Swap Perfect for Done

23:59- Good Enough Reps

26:07- Schedule Rest

27:06- Behind the Couch & Under the Cushion

27:15- Behind the Couch (Roland)

27:34- Dishes as a Good Enough Rep

29:29- Goal of an Aha! Moment

29:45- Using Obligation/Contract Verbiage to Challenge

31:04- Take Back Control

32:13- Behind the Couch (Hannah)

32:25- Overwhelmed Achiever Overlap

32:55- Empowerment & Reinvention

34:21- Self-Imposed High

35:04- Inner Child Work

35:18- CBT

37:06- Safe with Emotions

38:35- Under the Cushion (Roland)

38:45- Grades Were Important (GT/AP Kid)

40:24- Challenged Perfectionism

42:07- Would Not Classify Perfectionism Out loud

42:50- We're Frenemies!

42:55- Under the Cushion (Hannah)

43:36- Grew Up Thinking of Failure

43:58- Perfectionism & Imposter Syndrome

44:33- Other Oriented

46:08- Unfairness of Expectations

48:18- Not Assigning the Emotional Piece

50:28- Other Oriented Feels Helpless

50:38- Outro

*THIS PODCAST IS NOT A SUPPLEMENT OR REPLACEMENT FOR THERAPY CONDUCTED WITH A LICSENED PROFESSIONAL*

Copyright © You Seem Fine Podcast. *THIS PODCAST IS NOT A SUPPLEMENT OR REPLACEMENT FOR THERAPY CONDUCTED WITH A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL.*.

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